For the Record: Del Rio Truthers

 

Bringing takeout from Ciudad Acuña to the family in Del Rio. Photo by Jordan Vonderhaar/Getty Images via The Guardian.

Has anyone actually looked into this? https://t.co/JqYTGaTcn0

— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) September 24, 2021

From article: "And so this is a community that, you know, operates through word of mouth. So people started saying, hey, Ciudad Acuña is open. This port is open."

— 1984_brien (@1984_brien) September 24, 2021

That's according to Politifact. This is an international matter and as such would seem that much of the US IC can analyze what went on here and in other situations where refuge movements are encouraged.

— 1984_brien (@1984_brien) September 24, 2021

It wasn't exactly sudden. They were on the way, mostly concentrated in Panama, in July 2020. Something like what would have been called a "caravan" six or seven years ago https://t.co/CizuiHXIue

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

Obviously the fact that Trump was being replaced by a less racist and anti-immigrant president encouraged more people to join in from January 2021 onward, but the movement was already happening.

Yes, the populations of these migrations build over time.

Still, I find it odd that this one so suddenly culminated at a place and time (and at its scale), particularly when the actual word that spread seemed to be false (i.e. Del Rio wasn't a good place to cross).

— Ed Holder (@JustEdHolder) September 25, 2021

"I find it odd." Could we be dealing with a troll?

I see. Where did you find the details regarding the river being initially easy to cross, CBP appointments, crossing back to shop for food, etc.?

In general, it would be interesting to see a timeline that makes this all work organically.

— Ed Holder (@JustEdHolder) September 25, 2021

You started *voluntarily* providing details that most ppl haven't seen or heard anywhere else, so I asked for a citation.

Weird that you would interject with info then get pissy when asked about it but, sure, OK.

Effin' Twitter, indeed.

— Ed Holder (@JustEdHolder) September 25, 2021

I dunno, it's really my practice; if I'm suspicious about some representation of fact, the thing I normally do is to check it out—if I find evidence it's wrong, I might send them a link, but it's only if I can't find anything at all that I'll come out demanding a source. This guy, conficdent that he was representing "most ppl", clearly wasn't doing that—bad manners as far as I'm concerned.

But I couldn't resist giving it another try. Del Rio really was a pretty good place, after all, before it got so crowded under that bridge:

Here's a lot of pictures with accompanying text of people crossing the river in both directions and factors that make it easy

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

This seems extremely useful (at least up to the paywall, I didn't go further) on the whole process https://t.co/UszbpCcx1s

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

The big blank canvass which is Twitter is a group undertaking. Efforts to inform and enlighten others can be noble when they promote love, decency and action for good. Thx man.

— 1984_brien (@1984_brien) September 25, 2021

Also, it really wasn't sudden at all; CBP was noting an influx of Haitians at Del Rio in October 2020, brought there by coyotes (the criminal, not the animal), 11 months before the situation reached crisis level. And yes, unlike the Trump-Miller-Sessions CBP, they were following correct procedure, giving everyone a preliminary interview and arranging for further processing of asylum claims:

Here's some material on the process in which CBP agents interview Haitians (or anybody who surrenders to them with an asylum request) and set up court dates for some https://t.co/pX6rTCaMH6

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

These aren't my sources. As I told you the stuff you were questioning came mostly from radio reports I have trouble retrieving. The facts are all over the place, though, available to anybody who owns a Google.

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

"Interesting." Yep, he's a troll. As with "odd" and "weird" earlier, words used to throw doubt on your interlocutor when you don't really have any ideas about how you'd show they're wrong, or don't want to admit to the conspiracy theory you're pushing—perhaps the one offered by the anti-immigration Center for Immigration Studies according to which it's the Mexican government's making fun of Biden for donating Covid vaccine to them:

A casual move such as suspending deterring strategies under cover of a holiday, or perhaps for the express purpose of transferring a humanitarian burden to the United States, indicates a diplomatic failure by the Biden administration in choosing carrots rather than Trump’s stick in dealing with Mexico. The move hints at how Mexico’s leadership regards the Biden administration’s quid pro quo arrangements of aid for help with illegal immigration from Guatemala.

Del Rio Truthers.

How many? What kind of "active research"? Why don't *you* show *me* a source?

— Yastreblyansky (@Yastreblyansky) September 25, 2021

Reader, he didn't. Of course.

One source is the articles you linked.

Hey, thanks a lot for the info and discussion.

Take care.

— Ed Holder (@JustEdHolder) September 25, 2021

You take care too, dickhead.